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My Two-for-Tuesday morning train WFH reads: • Stock Pickers Never Had a Chance Against Hard Math of the Market : In years like this one, when just a few big companies outperform, it’s hard to assemble a winning portfolio. economy is doing well, why do so many Americans say it’s terrible? 2000-2003 Dotcom implosion 6.
Do the Math Let’s do the math. What better index than the Russell 3000, which includes the Russell 1000 big cap universe and the Russell 2000 small cap index. China’s central bank cut rates last week in an effort to jump start its failing economy. Okay, let’s go there.
For example, if the house brings in $2000 per month ($24,000 each year) and the sale price is $240,000, the next investor is buying a business with a price-to-earnings ratio of 10, because 240k/24k=10. Its just basic math. Does it mean our entire economy is expected to grow much more quickly? What if the Earnings are Rising?
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … obviously, the United States, the global economy. RITHOLTZ: Whereas the — and the market when — essentially didn’t get above 2000 to like 2013 or so.
ANAT ADMATI, PROFESSOR OF FIANCE AND ECONOMICS, STANFORD GRADUATE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS: So, my journey starts where I took a lot of math. I was good in math and I love the math. So, I was kind of, in my romantic mind when I was in my early 20s, I was going to take but not give back to math, that kind of thing.
And he’s really moving the needle in terms of having people take control of their own financial life in a way that benefits not just them but the entire economy and all of society. They’re an underground economy because they don’t trust the mainstream economy. These are not dumb people. RITHOLTZ: Right.
Do the math S&P 500 Top Performers Bloomberg Data 25% of the S&P 500 is up more than the index this year. Russell 2000 Top Performers Bloomberg Data Even in the maligned Russell 2000, which is not having a great year at the index level, has some big winners. 60% of the index is positive year to date.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. There’s a continual, the economy continues to grow. It goes so far. Did you give me cash?
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. In 2000, right. But in extremis, which is the Microsoft and the Tonight 2000 example and maybe some other AI related stocks today, it really does matter.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Some people look at a casino as entertainment and hey, we’re gonna spend X dollars, pick a number, 500, 2000, whatever it is.
And then I developed this macro affinity starting in 2000, really? I mean, if you take out the government spending, you probably are on a recession in a private economy. And that’s your focus on government, both fiscal and monetary support for the economy. So that’s the math. 2009, 10 in that role.
And just to amplify everything even further, China has launched a batshit crazy (and medically impossible) “zero covid” policy, locking down hundreds of millions of its own people who can no longer produce or export the things that the rest of the world’s economy had grown to rely upon.
When you look at the 82 to 2000 bull market, something like 75% of those gains came not from earnings growth, but from multiple expansion. Yes, the economy can clearly keep roaring along, which we’ve seen. They’re definitely trying to slow the economy down. RITHOLTZ: Right. The 2010s were certainly the TINA decade.
KLINSKY: That was a super hot theme in the year 1999 and 2000. So I mean, in ’07 and ’08, you know, what killed the economy in ’07 and ‘08 were mortgages going down. RITHOLTZ: So it’s different math then I need 100x winner versus 99? After I left, they changed their strategy and went into what were called CLECs.
And that’s, that’s the predecessor to Amherst, which we bought in 2000 and had been running it since then. So think about 2003 home prices had gone up a lot from 2000. So mortgage position in 2000 were way more valuable in 2003 than they were when they originated because they weigh less credit risk. Anything else?
I’d been ranked i i back in the seventies, if you can do the math. Your real business is having the best perspective of what is happening this moment in the economy. And like you mentioned, the smooth sailing in the 2000 tens 00:15:07 [Speaker Changed] Didn’t feel that way at the time. Your side hustle.
I would say the thing that connects them is just voracious curiosity about the world of politics and, you know, economies and trying to make sense out of it. 1999, 2000, the internet was blowing up. The SNL crisis Tiger Chase had started, you know, in the wake of the internet melding down in 2000. You know, all of these things.
So when I was at this very fancy private school that I was at as a kid, I did math because it gave me a huge amount of free time to do the things I really cared about. But when I got to Cambridge, you know, the math was sort of serious there. So, you know, I took my math into statistics and things. Am I getting right?
NADIG: And trying to help people understand what that means for next week, and the next year, and the next decade, to position products underneath it, like ETFs in 1992, or model portfolios in 2000, or direct indexing in 2010. I read all those academic papers, I understand where the math comes from. It’s how math works.
If you are at all interested in fixed income, how you assess bonds, how you evaluate the economy, the market, what the fed’s gonna do, what clients want, how to assess risk in credit markets, well then you are gonna really enjoy this conversation. That’s where the economy was at that point. But those guys are great, right?
The economy, the markets, and the world-at-large provide unlimited fodder for them. That’s why the markets are much more of a mind game than a math game. And that’s why markets will always be exceedingly hard, even when the math seems easy or the future seems certain. ” Nobody does. And lots of surprises.
In 2000, I mean, sorry, in 1980, I was 15 years old, I’m sneaking into comedy clubs watching, you know, Jim Carrey and Dave Thomas and, you know, like everybody could show up on a night. I mean, a lot of the best trades that Cramer did as a hedge fund manager, you know, tapping out before everything went to hell in 2000.
Colin Camerer : So I, some of it was when I was in college at Johns Hopkins, I, I studied physics and math. And there was people, Physics didn’t have, people, psychology didn’t have math, economics was kind of the right mix. The math doesn’t math. Until the March, 2000 top. That was too abstract.
I think if you fast forward 10 or 20 years, it’s more — as I said earlier, more optimistic view of America that will have a more inclusive innovation economy, won’t just be a few people in a few places. The math never seems to work out. So let’s circle back to 2000, the Time Warner-AOL deal goes through.
So this is after March of 2000, his famous op-ed “Big-Cap Tech Stocks are a Sucker’s Bet.”. In every recession, except one and that was the tech bust of 2000, the drawdown of REITs was greater than the S&P 500. Then 25 years after that, in 2000, well, we all know dot-com burst and then bust. You have to apply.
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. So, let me just repeat the math. And so, again, I went through this simple math. When he came to power in year 2000, he wasn’t powerful like he is today. And so, it wasn’t just a fishing boat, it was an oceangoing factory, very impressive. They said, seven years.
It’ll reduce new company formation, it’ll make us borrowing costs skyrocket, it’ll devalue the US dollar, it’s gonna cause rampant inflation and it will act as a drag on the overall economy. Wasn’t the Excel spreadsheet error, which changed their math. And their economy seems to be doing just fine.
SUNSTEIN: So back in 2000, I agreed to write a book for Princeton University Press called “Republic.com.” So if you think the economy’s going to go sour and then you learn that’s not true, you might well be extremely credulous, meaning willing to believe the happy thing, even though it’s disconfirming of your belief.
You know, anything you dug into was a story that would tell you something about power and the trajectory of, of the Chinese economy. I love the Washington Post, but I thought, well, I better do this sleepy story, the national economy. I keep reading that, you know, consumer spending is more than two thirds of, of the American economy.
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