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You have the liquidity, the tax efficiency, the transparency. And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. BERRUGA: This is 2003. RITHOLTZ: Yeah.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. People earn wages, whether it’s a retirement account or a tax deferred account or just an investment account.
I mean, there were some advisor pickup, but you had to be kind of on the front edge of finance, or a quant, or running your own models, which in 2003, was not that common. So as much as I’m personally still a pretty strong skeptic of active management, I mean, I understand the math, and the odds are not in your favor.
So how do you then go from tax and audit practice to finance and investing? So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. Very different fields.
So that little detour was in 2003. So think about 2003 home prices had gone up a lot from 2000. So mortgage position in 2000 were way more valuable in 2003 than they were when they originated because they weigh less credit risk. And I was always good at math and, and I had been writing code since I was in the sixth grade.
I started out math and, and physics, and in high school I was a rock star in math and physics. And that persistent until about 2003. And some of them have, you know, the terms that say, Hey, well this is gonna convert at this low price when the prices up here, it’s a win-win other than having to pay the taxes.
You sit in a room all day doing tax returns or something, it’s just not, you know, that it seemed antisocial. Wasn’t the Excel spreadsheet error, which changed their math. A massive buildup in military, you know, couple of huge tax cuts deficits were increasing, the debt was increasing very rapidly. I mean Yep.
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. So, let me just repeat the math. And so, again, I went through this simple math. And he came up with a plan in late 2003 to solve this problem with the oligarchs and what he did was there was one oligarch in particular who was the richest oligarch. They said, seven years.
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