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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. And then I moved back to London at the end of 2008, which was a really interesting pivot.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. And then when I left the journal for the first time in 2008, they said, well, who should we hire to replace you? I did it in 2008 in oh nine.
That is difficult to pull off but if you do the math on that it shows long term outperformance. That is not guessing what markets will do, that is just managing assetallocation and cash needs. As bad as 2008 was, we're 3x from there. Remember, the peak in the S&P 500 in October, 2007 was 1565.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. It depends on your assetallocation.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. I could maybe flip that around a little bit since I think particularly post 2008, 2009, the quality style of investing has become a lot more popular.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. In 2008, we didn’t have Uber, right? Very few people want to quote unquote, get onto a smartphone.
My family and I moved to McLean, Virginia in, in 2008. They’re assetallocation model driven folks. And I was always good at math and, and I had been writing code since I was in the sixth grade. Who, who, who, who else did you speak to when you were there? What, so what was that experience like?
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. And then what happened in, in 2008? And I just caught the bug. Become options market makers.
Or should this be kept out of private assetallocators’ hands? This was a small asset class that, whether it was the illiquidity premium or just the ability to go places where the public markets couldn’t, actually did better than the markets. MORGENSON: It stopped outperforming in like the mid-2000s or towards 2008.
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