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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. And then I moved back to London at the end of 2008, which was a really interesting pivot.
But yes, I was given my own column and by that point, having seen all these star managers come and go, you know, I had become an index fund devotee, and in column after column I banged the drum for index funds to the point where my editors were asking me, Hey, could you write about something else? I did it in 2008 in oh nine.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. Now I do fundamental side research portfoliomanagement, which I just, 00:08:20 [Speaker Changed] So, so you joined GMO, there’s 60 people, 30 years.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. Think about the two founders of Global X, Bruno and Jose, they set up Global X in 2008. BERRUGA: Exactly.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. So I, as a discretionary portfoliomanager, if you hand me cash, I can look at the market and say, you know what?
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. MIELLE: After 2008? RITHOLTZ: 2008, ’09. And all these formally high performers are now just so big, they’re very happy collecting the management fee and the performance fee matters less.
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. And then what happened in, in 2008? Well, most naive value portfolios are stuffed with financials.
And then, you know, at some point, well, I went to grad school because I graduated college in 2008, and was shockingly enough, yeah, having trouble getting a newsroom job. I mean, you’re talking about, I don’t, I could do the math, it’s like a 10,000% return in like three weeks. And that’s sort of the math.
Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. 00:07:26 And then I moved on to the equities team afterwards. And I just learned a tremendous amount.
I’d been ranked i i back in the seventies, if you can do the math. He helps portfoliomanagers make sense of the world. The last cycle, for example, it took 18 months from when the yield corps inverted to when the recession started in 2008, 18 months. So at that point, I had a pretty big career. Not, not useful.
That’s why the markets are much more of a mind game than a math game. And that’s why markets will always be exceedingly hard, even when the math seems easy or the future seems certain. He called the 2008-09 financial crisis but has kept calling for replays and kept being wrong. Stop with the math.`
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