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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. And then I moved back to London at the end of 2008, which was a really interesting pivot.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. Two reasons. Absolutely.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. Think about the two founders of Global X, Bruno and Jose, they set up Global X in 2008. BERRUGA: Exactly.
It started on January 1 of 2008. SEIDES: In Warren’s 2008 annual letter, I think it was 2008, he made a statement. RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. SEIDES: That’s right. You would think.
So like a component of it was like the standard derivatives math, right? And so like, you know, I got there and I learned derivatives math, right? And it stopped in like September of 2008. It was derivatives math, it was like working with the traders on like riskmanagement. We did not do any deals.
MIELLE: After 2008? RITHOLTZ: 2008, ’09. Even the guy you think of so highly, you know, after three hedge funds open and close, you got to wonder if there’s some riskmanagement issue there. I guess other than Lehman Brothers, most of them were either rescued or absorbed into another entity. RITHOLTZ: Yeah.
But it was — on the other hand, it was just a great place, well, first to try it but the second thing is when 2008 came along, it was one of the few places that we’re making money. But it just didn’t become a great success. RITHOLTZ: Just not a great fit. ILMANEN: Yes. And then in addition, we write lots of papers.
My family and I moved to McLean, Virginia in, in 2008. So we were down the street and we were in a pretty interesting situation because we were the, we were one of the biggest, if not the only investment bank specializing in the core risk that the nation was facing. Who, who, who, who else did you speak to when you were there?
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. This guy just hired me, the management of this trawler fleet to advise them on whether the management should exercise their legitimate right under the privatization program of Russia to buy 51 percent. So, let me just repeat the math. How many do you have in your fleet?
It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk. How fundamental was that to your learning about investing, trading riskmanagement, starting with futures? You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly. They didn’t make it through 2008.
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