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And then I moved back to London at the end of 2008, which was a really interesting pivot. At the end of 2008, we owned a lot of illiquid assets. And there was a problem with 168 of them at the end of 2008. It was the year I made partner, actually, in 2008. We just get to focus on assets and asset riskmanagement.
There are about 13 different portfoliomanagers each focused on a different sub-sector. 00:07:24 [Speaker Changed] So in early 2008, millennium was looking for an analyst at one of their funds out in San Francisco, and I jumped at the opportunity. And then the fall of 2008 came and I learned the power of that type of investing.
Leverage used in this manner is not that new but maybe sort of new with retail accessible funds although I would note PIMCO has done this in mutual funds since at least 2008. Some portfoliomanagers might very well be constrained that they have to own bonds, chances are you are not constrained in that manner.
Think about the two founders of Global X, Bruno and Jose, they set up Global X in 2008. BERRUGA: We think it’s a great solution for clients that are looking for two things, either income or like a riskmanagement tool to play the volatile environment that we have seen in the markets. BERRUGA: Exactly. RITHOLTZ: Oh, my goodness.
And Wall Street didn’t work out for a variety of reasons, but I ended up working sort of an adjacent industry in the portfoliomanagement software business, and really wasn’t where my passion was. They have a riskmanagement technology. How do you guys think about riskmanagement? RAMPULLA: Yeah.
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. MIELLE: After 2008? RITHOLTZ: 2008, ’09. Even the guy you think of so highly, you know, after three hedge funds open and close, you got to wonder if there’s some riskmanagement issue there.
Not, not terribly busy in 2007 to be honest, but in 2008, 2009, 10, it was by far the busiest time in my career in investing. Because if you’re a riskmanager at a bank and all of a sudden the reserve flow is not coming your direction anymore, you’re the expectation that is, it will go the opposite direction.
If you’re all interested in macro investing, trend following, commodities, currencies, fixed income, various types of quantitative strategies, and most important of all, riskmanagement, you’re going to find this conversation to be absolutely fascinating. Who’s added to risk? Who’s got risk?
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
Go back right after 2008, every bank made markets. And quite frankly, myself as the CIO, I lack the confidence to go to other portfoliomanagers and say, look, my view is so strong and so right that you should get out of that country or what have you. Every bank had balance sheet.
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