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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfoliomanager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income asset allocation committees.
But yes, I was given my own column and by that point, having seen all these star managers come and go, you know, I had become an index fund devotee, and in column after column I banged the drum for index funds to the point where my editors were asking me, Hey, could you write about something else? 00:21:46 Everything was a headache.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. Now I do fundamental side research portfoliomanagement, which I just, 00:08:20 [Speaker Changed] So, so you joined GMO, there’s 60 people, 30 years.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I mean, one of our first ETF was our China Consumer ETF that we launched in 2009. BERRUGA: Yeah.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. He is portfoliomanager at Orbis Holdings.
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
I was a fixed income portfoliomanager and trader, which is a ton of fun. PIMCO out on the West Coast, read the first thing I wrote in the Journal of PortfolioManagement. My mom was a math teacher so — RITHOLTZ: Okay. But it wasn’t like whatever skills they taught me in the PhD. RITHOLTZ: Meaning what?
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. And so graduating right into 2009, right out of the financial crisis, I said, I don’t think I’m gonna get a job. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. And I just caught the bug.
And I said, I’ll go get a master’s and things will be better in 2009, because these are one year programs. I mean, you’re talking about, I don’t, I could do the math, it’s like a 10,000% return in like three weeks. And that’s sort of the math. RITHOLTZ: Right. He was right on the thesis.
Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. 00:12:42 [Speaker Changed] Yeah, so I joined in August, 2009, and I left to join Hawaiian Bernstein in late 2012.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
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