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So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. Riskmanagement. That’s a long time.
So like a component of it was like the standard derivatives math, right? And so like, you know, I got there and I learned derivatives math, right? And it restarted in, I wanna say March of 2009, but like onlya little bit. It was derivatives math, it was like working with the traders on like riskmanagement.
.” It’s really helpful to have had five other meetings with people who sit at analogous funds that had losses that were just as big, and in fact, they may have contributed to those losses more and be able to tell him, first off, your fund, just by my math, has a $250 million management fee. So why rock the boat?
So I think that argument is very valid in those couple of years, 2009, 2010 probably, maybe 2011, which was a tough year for hedge funds. RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. You still had 2012 to 2017 to finish the bet.
So, the Portfolio Solutions Group advises mainly institutional clients on all kinds of challenges that they have and thinking about the expected returns, portfolio construction, riskmanagement, et cetera. And then in addition, we write lots of papers. I speak in many conferences. Bonds are the most expensive. They’ve been in 30 years.
And what we figured out in 2009, really when we started buying homes is that we made the bet that it, I mean, it wasn’t a very exotic bet, but we made the bet that the subprime mortgage market wasn’t coming back at all. And so, so starting in 2009, we, we, there was no flip market. So I had real support around Wall Street.
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. This guy just hired me, the management of this trawler fleet to advise them on whether the management should exercise their legitimate right under the privatization program of Russia to buy 51 percent. So, let me just repeat the math. How many do you have in your fleet?
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