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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. We just get to focus on assets and asset riskmanagement. So it was certainly stressful.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. Two reasons. Absolutely.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. So let’s talk about managing through volatility. 2020 was a huge year. Why covered calls?
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … riskmanagement. So let’s talk a little bit about the current environment in the past couple of years starting with the 2020 pandemic. I love statistics.
.” It’s really helpful to have had five other meetings with people who sit at analogous funds that had losses that were just as big, and in fact, they may have contributed to those losses more and be able to tell him, first off, your fund, just by my math, has a $250 million management fee. LMR in 2020 was 4.6
SEIDES: But market returns across — RITHOLTZ: The past decade, 2010 to 2020, we were what? RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. RITHOLTZ: Oh no, it’s much worse. SEIDES: It’s lower. It’s lower.
DAVIS: A big part of it is really around when there’s more complicated corporate actions that are happening that entail a level of risk. There’s conversations that happen with our riskmanagement department to make sure we’re comfortable in terms of what kind of exposure that creates in the fund.
And so if you compare that to today, if you remember Oaktree raised $15 billion fund in 2020, on its own. For example, you talk about the 2020 distressed cycle, and it’s interesting to me that it was so short, so shallow. If you think of the biggest bankruptcy in 2020 was Hertz. So the magnitude is not even comparable.
BORISH: So one of the geniuses of Paul in really understanding futures markets in general is that most of the innovative riskmanagement approaches came out of the futures markets because of the using margin. So now what do you do with riskmanagement? What were you trading and what was he looking at?
So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred. This guy just hired me, the management of this trawler fleet to advise them on whether the management should exercise their legitimate right under the privatization program of Russia to buy 51 percent. So, let me just repeat the math. How many do you have in your fleet?
It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk. How fundamental was that to your learning about investing, trading riskmanagement, starting with futures? You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly.
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