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So along those lines, there are some venture firms that don’t really seem to care a lot about valuations and others seem to focus on a little bit. Is valuation significant, or is it, hey, we’re going to make 100 investments and if two or three workout, the valuations are irrelevant? How do you fall in that spectrum?
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So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. I didn’t know what any of these terms meant. We’ve seen a couple of these events now.
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So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. It’s just math stick to it over long periods of time. Then the volatility and, and the valuation makes an enormous difference.
But if you go back to the period before 2022, from 2019 to 2021, a 60/40 portfolio actually produced 14% returns over that time horizon, which is above the long-term average. DAVIS: Where international equities, because of valuations, probably 7% to 7.5%. RITHOLTZ: Right. And that’s all sentiment. DAVIS: That’s exactly it.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. We had really good 2021 in terms of inflows. You have the liquidity, the tax efficiency, the transparency.
RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. If you’re giving up that 1% big fat yield in 2019, 2021, let’s say you give up three years of 1% and get zero, how does the math work over the subsequent couple of years?
ILMANEN: It’s always good to think of starting yields and valuation sort of two sides of the same coin. You wrote this book in 2021 or at least finished it in 2021 and you described in the book what you see as an, quote, “investment winter ahead.” Explain that. RITHOLTZ: It makes a lot of sense.
But plenty of valuation measures, it has no applicability for price-to-sales. ASNESS: Well, first of all, I’m going to somewhat disappoint you saying we do not take very big bets on views like timing asset classes based on valuation. My mom was a math teacher so — RITHOLTZ: Okay. It can apply to earnings.
And we’ve automated the, the appraisal process for valuation, both intrinsic value, meaning like, where would we pay it, where would we buy it, and where is the fair market price that asset from that level, from price and from consumer behavior now. We’ve gathered up all the information you would need to do an appraisal.
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It was about $170 million valuation. So here’s the math, Barry. If you have seven $50 incremental year, then every 10 year old in America, when they enter into the fifth or sixth grade and the teacher says, Hey, today we’re gonna talk about math or compounding or stocks or capitalism, they’ll say, open up.
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00:24:49 [Speaker Changed] So let’s talk a little bit about valuation in the public markets. Does that valuation difference in the public markets extend to private markets as well? Does that valuation difference in the public markets extend to private markets as well? Hence the valuation gap.
I actually left active professor in July of 2021, after 45 years of teaching at Wharton. And it’s been virtually impossible for any value strategy to have overcome the great bull market of the big tech companies of the last 15 years which probably ended in, you know, early ‘20 or late 2021 or ’20, early ’21. SIEGEL: Right.
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