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She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Not the usual combination. What happened?
So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. We just get to focus on assets and asset riskmanagement. RITHOLTZ: And if only you could do that.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. Two reasons. Absolutely.
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … riskmanagement. I — I — I think 50 plus 75 plus 75 plus whatever happened September 2022, that’s the end of the soft landing. RITHOLTZ: Right.
2022 was certainly a challenging year for a lot of the hedge fund industry and it really separates the winners from the also-ran. And we’ve talked about whether we go deeper on existing strategies, we build new businesses, we find somebody who can help him more as almost a co-CIO with riskmanagement, with the investment process.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. Riskmanagement. That’s a long time.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. How do you manage through volatility like we’ve seen in 2022? Why covered calls? BERRUGA: Yeah.
So like a component of it was like the standard derivatives math, right? And so like, you know, I got there and I learned derivatives math, right? It was derivatives math, it was like working with the traders on like riskmanagement. Like, like the, you know, like the accounting standards.
DAVIS: A big part of it is really around when there’s more complicated corporate actions that are happening that entail a level of risk. There’s conversations that happen with our riskmanagement department to make sure we’re comfortable in terms of what kind of exposure that creates in the fund.
BORISH: So one of the geniuses of Paul in really understanding futures markets in general is that most of the innovative riskmanagement approaches came out of the futures markets because of the using margin. So now what do you do with riskmanagement? What were you trading and what was he looking at?
So, the Portfolio Solutions Group advises mainly institutional clients on all kinds of challenges that they have and thinking about the expected returns, portfolio construction, riskmanagement, et cetera. Markets have pretty much done nothing but roll over and head south in 2022. And then in addition, we write lots of papers.
It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk. How fundamental was that to your learning about investing, trading riskmanagement, starting with futures? You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly.
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