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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfolio manager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income assetallocation committees. He is host of the podcast The Sherman Show and a CFA charter holder.
So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. At the end of 2008, we owned a lot of illiquid assets. I didn’t know what any of these terms meant.
She was CIO at Merrill Lynch Asset Management, and now CIO at both Morgan Stanley Wealth Management and runs their assetallocation models and their outsourced chief investment officer models. 00:20:56 [Speaker Changed] So, so let’s talk a little bit about what goes into managing a hundred plus billion dollars in assets.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. Two, I got my first Wall Street bonus three, I sold another book, which meant I got a big advance. Tell us about some of your favorite books.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. We also do assetallocation and overlays.
He started a blog, which eventually became a podcast and a book, and is now a Netflix series. Depending on the platform, it’s either “I Will Teach You to Be Rich,” the book, or the Netflix show “How to Get Rich.” So, before we get into the Netflix series and the book, let’s talk a little bit about your background.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. And actually Ben Inker is the head of our assetallocation group. We, we call assetallocation at GMO. Finance was the natural fit for GMO.
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. Everyone wants to — which is so intuitive now, but we became a lot more tactical with some of our allocations. Of course, we have strategic assetallocations, strategic portfolios.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. It depends on your assetallocation.
We’d look at the assetallocations of their portfolios and whether they’re tax-deferred, tax-exempt, or taxable. The math is the easy part, but James and Pamela have never really had a conversation on what their dream will look like—or even to what extent they both share it. So—problem solved, right? Well, actually, no.
This math explains why we shouldn’t be surprised when the market remains “irrational” far longer than seems possible. Common sense on “book banning.” His paper describing the experiment is here , or, you may read about it in his new book. In fact, much of what happens is highly improbable.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. We forget that there weren’t personal computers on everybody’s desk back then.
So there’s been a big push for folks to get the appropriate level of assetallocation in a highly diversified, low cost way. So what was challenging for me was like, actually, when we moved to the US when I was seven years old, I was always good with math, but my English was below average. Let’s talk about books.
So in mortgages, the borrower can stop paying maybe a year to two years before the lenders actually book a loss. They’re assetallocation model driven folks. But I recently was given a book, and I read it, it’s a companion of essays called A City is Not a Tree. It was written in 1965.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. And, and that book is just absolutely a, you know, a, a gem, a Wall Street classic for sure. Let’s talk about books.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. In fact, I once found a very similar quote in a, in an investment book from the 1980s.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
Her last book was a bestseller, “Reckless Endangerment” is all about the mortgage crisis. The current book is called “These Are the Plunderers, How Private Equity Runs and Wrecks America” That’s a little bit of a sensationalistic headline. “Hey, I’m going to write a book in 40 years.”
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