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I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. 00:13:13 [Speaker Changed] It’s an improvement of value or refinement on the definition of value. Finance was the natural fit for GMO. So I was at Harvard.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Not the usual combination. What happened?
I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … across asset classes is the way that I think about it. And so, there’s definitely a pre and post. RITHOLTZ: Applied Mathematics, Quants, those guys, yeah.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. But it’s definitely a challenge.
When I think back to some of the most painful moments over a 20-year career, that is definitely one. There’s definitely some ways to save money. Once you have your assetallocation dialed in, your automatic contributions dialed in, all the basics, then you can move on. It’s much deeper than math.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. Definitely 00:07:32 [Speaker Changed] True. 00:07:28 [Speaker Changed] Hey, listen, smart is good. Luck is better.
So there’s been a big push for folks to get the appropriate level of assetallocation in a highly diversified, low cost way. But is it fair to say that this year and perhaps last year, you saw a big shift of client cash assets into money markets? You definitely want to be more of an investor versus a speculator.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. People definitely seem to be happier to give away money now. They will earn that market return less, whatever they’re paying.
She was CIO at Merrill Lynch Asset Management, and now CIO at both Morgan Stanley Wealth Management and runs their assetallocation models and their outsourced chief investment officer models. 00:20:56 [Speaker Changed] So, so let’s talk a little bit about what goes into managing a hundred plus billion dollars in assets.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. So, so you’re, you’re definitely channeling a little Farrell. 01:09:14 [Speaker Changed] Oh, rich, definitely.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. Yeah, 00:10:11 [Speaker Changed] That’ll, that’ll definitely wake, 00:10:12 [Speaker Changed] Wake you the ice you up coffee. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations.
Anyway… RITHOLTZ: Well, it’s definitely better. Or should this be kept out of private assetallocators’ hands? If you’re starting to see private equity firms taking over pensions, you know, and or stripping the pensions of the companies that they bankrupt, that is a definite wealth gulf, right?
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
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