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Investment banks were not really a known concept in the area where I grew up. I lined up a bunch of job interviews with a variety of banks. So I got to know banks a little bit. So I interviewed with a bunch of banks, got a number of job offers by the end of the week, and joined Goldman Sachs in October 1998.
It’s a town of about 4,000 people, so exposure to markets or investment banking or any of the careers in finance was not something that you really envisioned. It was at Bank One, at the time. RITHOLTZ: There’s always risk involved with counterparties …. BITTERLY MICHELL: Always risk. BITTERLY MICHELL: … riskmanagement.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Not the usual combination. What happened?
So like a component of it was like the standard derivatives math, right? And so like, you know, I got there and I learned derivatives math, right? I mean, I, I liked, I, I like learned a lot from that job and it’s like really helped me do what I do today because it really touched on a lot of elements of the bank.
Their mainstay financial services practice, which was banking and equities, fell off a cliff. And we’ve talked about whether we go deeper on existing strategies, we build new businesses, we find somebody who can help him more as almost a co-CIO with riskmanagement, with the investment process. Banking getting much better.
So, yeah, I had a career in investment banking with Jefferies, and it was a really good professional experience because I do have the opportunity to work in M&A, equity and debt financing. I had the chance to be part of some very interesting transactions in the banking space. billion deal. Why covered calls? BERRUGA: Yeah, speed.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. Riskmanagement. That’s a long time.
DAVIS: A big part of it is really around when there’s more complicated corporate actions that are happening that entail a level of risk. There’s conversations that happen with our riskmanagement department to make sure we’re comfortable in terms of what kind of exposure that creates in the fund. RITHOLTZ: Yes.
RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. If you’re giving up that 1% big fat yield in 2019, 2021, let’s say you give up three years of 1% and get zero, how does the math work over the subsequent couple of years?
I wanted to see the world, and whether it was investment banking, or basket weaving really had absolutely no bearing on my decision. What about what happened with a lot of banks during the financial crisis? I wanted a job that would take me away from Paris. MIELLE: Lots of cursing. MIELLE: — interviewed. RITHOLTZ: Yeah.
And I was very fortunate to get a job at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. BORISH: So one of the geniuses of Paul in really understanding futures markets in general is that most of the innovative riskmanagement approaches came out of the futures markets because of the using margin. RITHOLTZ: Doing what? RITHOLTZ: Sure.
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfolio manager in Finland. We’ll circle back with that. Let’s start just by talking about your career. ILMANEN: Yes.
And we said, let’s just take a little detour here and make sure we understand the credit risk of these things before we sort of travel, start making markets and banking and, and, and really making these a core part of our business. There’s 00:14:11 [Speaker Changed] No money in that bank.
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It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk. How fundamental was that to your learning about investing, trading riskmanagement, starting with futures? You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly. They run outta liquidity.
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