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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfoliomanager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income asset allocation committees.
But yes, I was given my own column and by that point, having seen all these star managers come and go, you know, I had become an index fund devotee, and in column after column I banged the drum for index funds to the point where my editors were asking me, Hey, could you write about something else? Tell us about some of your favorite books.
. ~~~ About this week’s guest: Jim O’Shaughnessy, former chairman and founder of O’Shaughnessy Asset Management (now part of Franklin Templeton) and author of the New York Times bestselling book, “What Works on Wall Street” — the first quantitative investing book available to the general public.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Not the usual combination. What happened?
So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. Let’s talk about books. I didn’t know what any of these terms meant. But there are a couple.
I was always good at math, but I really, I just didn’t relate to things that were more esoteric bonds options. I worked in sort of a quasi portfoliomanagement role for like a single client account type business. Let’s talk about books. So for me, those are great books. I have no family history.
All of their portfoliomanagers not only are substantial investors in each of their funds, but they do a disclosure year that shows each manager by name and how much money they have invested in their own fund. You, 00:18:29 [Speaker Changed] You, you mentioned ownership mentality.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. Now I do fundamental side research portfoliomanagement, which I just, 00:08:20 [Speaker Changed] So, so you joined GMO, there’s 60 people, 30 years.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. Let’s talk about books. You have the liquidity, the tax efficiency, the transparency. BERRUGA: Yeah.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. Why do you trade below book value?
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. So I, as a discretionary portfoliomanager, if you hand me cash, I can look at the market and say, you know what?
But it was a tremendous experience because I had started off in bond trading, worked my way into portfoliomanagement and running the bond indexing team for a number of years, and then I got asked to take this responsibility, which was much broader. Let’s talk about books. RITHOLTZ: Wow, really, really interesting.
One of our informal measures of a good book is how many pages are dog-eared (corners are turned over) for the return reading. During 2023, one of our most beaten-up books was ‘What I Learned About Investing from Darwin’.2 We all know that a 55% hit rate is the top decile across the industry, and the maths above demonstrates why.
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. Her book, “Damsel in Distressed: My Life in the Golden Age of Hedge Funds”, is really a fascinating read. I know I want to have a guest on with a book. You mentioned in the book Canyon Capital took a chance on you.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. So, so you set to retire as portfoliomanager this year, you mentioned your two successors. And so I had to walk to the hotel and Dave Jenkins or Fidelity Analyst and now portfoliomanager had to walk home, which took a few hours. Let, let’s talk about books.
BARRY RITHOLTZ; HOST; MASTERS IN BUSINESS: This week on the podcast, I have an extra special guest, Antti Ilmanen is AQR’s Co-head of the Portfolio Solutions Group. He is the author of a new book, “Investing Amid Low Expected Returns: Making the Most When the Markets Offer the Least.” RITHOLTZ: Same here.
Around 1990, value says in the original metrics, and I think they’ve advanced since then, price-to-book was the famous one Fama and French use. I was a fixed income portfoliomanager and trader, which is a ton of fun. PIMCO out on the West Coast, read the first thing I wrote in the Journal of PortfolioManagement.
BARRY RITHOLTZ, HOST, MASTERS IN BUSINESS: This week on the podcast, Liz Hoffman comes in to tell us about writing “Crash Landing” which I found to be a fascinating book about telling the story of the pandemic that we all just lived through. RITHOLTZ: I have to tell you, I don’t always say this, I really enjoyed the book.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. And, and that book is just absolutely a, you know, a, a gem, a Wall Street classic for sure. Let’s talk about books.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that. And I just caught the bug. Become options market makers. You learn the technology.
I think it was in his book, one Up on Wall Street. I’d been ranked i i back in the seventies, if you can do the math. 00:16:57 [Speaker Changed] Early on there was a business called Johnson Red Book. He helps portfoliomanagers make sense of the world. 00:55:54 [Speaker Changed] Let’s talk about books.
Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. So the discounts from a price to book standpoint is over 60% price to earnings, about 40% discount.
Matt Eagan has spent his entire career in fixed income from credit analyst to portfoliomanager. Now he’s the head of the discretion team at Loomis Sales, which manages well over $335 billion in client assets. I started out math and, and physics, and in high school I was a rock star in math and physics.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
Jason Zweig @jasonzweigwsj 1:32 PM ∙ Aug 18, 2022 66 Likes 12 Retweets The above is from Jason’s brilliant book, The Devil’s Financial Dictionary. That’s why the markets are much more of a mind game than a math game. Stop with the math.` Because there is so much nonsense to cover, this is a long TBL.
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