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I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. And ev all the sort of compliance, client service, legal, kind of, everything was done sort of on the side by investment people. So I was at Harvard.
Let me say what your compliance wouldn’t allow you to say. SEIDES: Yeah, I wouldn’t measure it in terms of economic returns. RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. We were short subprime mortgages with John Paulson.
We’re going to wait, we’re going to see, and we want to be supportive of the markets and the economic system. And so it’s one of these things that math works. So as I said earlier, we really thought that there could be some economic struggles following ’87. We don’t want to participate.
You graduate Harvard in 1990, with an Economics and Computer Science degree, perfect for the explosion of the Internet; a PhD from MIT and Information Technology in ‘96. And from a public market, that sounds like it’s a compliance and conflict nightmare. And I’ve been investing in a lot of computer companies over the years.
There are a ton of expenses, and they’re getting higher with compliance and marketing and reporting and investor relationship, et cetera. since the ‘80s regarding economic mobility, that there used to be a huge ability to move up, or at least be in a better situation than your parents were. MIELLE: Exactly. RITHOLTZ: Right.
In doing so, I thought this conversation was really quite fascinating, and I think you will also, especially if you’re not only interested in equity, but curious as to how to combine various aspects of market functions, valuation, economic cycle, fed actions into one coherent strategy. But generally starts with the economic cycle.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. It was just a struggle from day one, particularly in the regulatory environment that is the securities business between lawyers and compliance people.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. So any compliance people listening, I’m just spitballing here. That’s Barry saying it.
STEVEN KLINSKY, FOUNDER, CEO AND MANAGING DIRECTOR, NEW MOUNTAIN CAPITAL: I come from the Detroit area of Michigan as a public school kid, went to University of Michigan and studied both economics and philosophy. RITHOLTZ: So it’s different math then I need 100x winner versus 99? KLINSKY: Well, thank you. KLINSKY: Yeah.
Tell us a little bit about what you do on Twitter and how was it getting that through legal and compliance? RIEDER: Well, first of all, anything I tweet goes through legal and compliance before it gets out there, first part. RIEDER: And all of a sudden, you change the economic paradigm so darn fast. RIEDER: Thanks. RIEDER: Yeah.
00:10:47 [Speaker Changed] So in the additive services that Orion offers now are financial planning, compliance, CRM services, risk and analysis portfolio construction and advisor portal and investor portal. Also the, the underlying philosophy of that just seems fundamentally wrong from an an economic standpoint. That’s right.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. I know you like to discuss there are different phases of the, of the, both the market and the economic cycle.
ASNESS: Well, I was striving for uncorrelated, but then the compliance officer in my head is saying sometimes it doesn’t come out to zero all the time. And it’s really not a compliance reason, I hope it’s more of an intellectual honesty reason. My mom was a math teacher so — RITHOLTZ: Okay. ASNESS: Yes.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You know, you run an RIA, the SEC just comes knocking every once in a while to say, Hey, just wanna make sure the compliance program’s all set up. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
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