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And from a public market, that sounds like it’s a compliance and conflict nightmare. So along those lines, there are some venture firms that don’t really seem to care a lot about valuations and others seem to focus on a little bit. We’ve seen valuations come way down for public companies.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. And ev all the sort of compliance, client service, legal, kind of, everything was done sort of on the side by investment people. So I was at Harvard.
He has a very interesting approach to thinking about market valuations and strategies and when to deploy capital, when to go with the crowd, when to lean against the crowd, and has amassed and excellent track record. Second part of our framework is valuation fundamental work. Well, that means valuations are probably too high.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. We built a company that was focused on valuation, initially, actually targeting corporate strategic planning departments.
So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases. I didn’t know what any of these terms meant. Capital rules were changing. Risk appetite was changing.
But the numbers you can’t argue with, I mean, we all know that the brutal math of investing before costs investors collectively will earn the market return after costs. It was just a struggle from day one, particularly in the regulatory environment that is the securities business between lawyers and compliance people.
We all know that a 55% hit rate is the top decile across the industry, and the maths above demonstrates why. Both types of error are due to a combination of either mis-assessing the business quality or its valuation (or both). nor on valuation and IRR in order to avoid type 1 errors of inclusion.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I remember telling myself, why would anyone invest in mutual funds when you can buy an ETF instead? BERRUGA: Yeah.
Now, we’re shifting to more international places like China, Europe, et cetera, that are really growing, and that valuations are cheaper. Tell us a little bit about what you do on Twitter and how was it getting that through legal and compliance? How are we doing in literacy versus math versus science? RIEDER: Thanks.
Let me say what your compliance wouldn’t allow you to say. RITHOLTZ: So hold the duration risk aside with those two, but just for an investor in treasuries, I know you’ve done the math before. What’s the valuation? And at the time, I was managing Protege Partners as a hedge fund of funds. RITHOLTZ: Right.
ASNESS: Well, I was striving for uncorrelated, but then the compliance officer in my head is saying sometimes it doesn’t come out to zero all the time. And it’s really not a compliance reason, I hope it’s more of an intellectual honesty reason. I just want to put in — RITHOLTZ: That’s correlated? ASNESS: Yes.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. And one of the worst performing factors has been valuation. And I think that’s wrong because valuation does matter.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You know, you run an RIA, the SEC just comes knocking every once in a while to say, Hey, just wanna make sure the compliance program’s all set up. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
Literally the first check-in to Robinhood, which went public in 2021 at about a $34 billion valuation. RITHOLTZ: He was the first (inaudible) in round B at the higher valuation. Is it about the valuation? Back then I was Wallstrip was like a 400K valuation. RITHOLTZ: Valuation didn’t make much of a difference.
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