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I was always good at math, but I really, I just didn’t relate to things that were more esoteric bonds options. And my mom’s a speech pathologist, so our dinner table conversation definitely had a business orientation, especially a small business owner. And so I definitely learned a lot there. Definitely.
And definitely, their retail market participation is significantly lower than you can see in the U.S. But I think it’s definitely changing, Barry, because, you know, you see more and more fintech platforms and robo-advisors that in a way, are making accessing financial markets easier for more and more investors in in Spain.
I’d say management consulting is any of the other thing that least at that time was the other career trajectory, just my personality, more of a math oriented introvert. Now I do fundamental side research portfoliomanagement, which I just, 00:08:20 [Speaker Changed] So, so you joined GMO, there’s 60 people, 30 years.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Managing them. What happened?
Here I am talking not just portfoliomanagement but overall lifestyle, habits and choices and yes this does filter into my day job managing investment portfolios. Here’s Barron’s and Barron’s telling us definitively to buy bonds and Bloomberg telling us with a little less conviction. “The
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. Definitely 00:07:32 [Speaker Changed] True. 00:07:28 [Speaker Changed] Hey, listen, smart is good. Luck is better.
All of their portfoliomanagers not only are substantial investors in each of their funds, but they do a disclosure year that shows each manager by name and how much money they have invested in their own fund. 00:10:10 [Speaker Changed] I mean, the, the deal was definitely done in Japan and Australia, not in the us right?
But yes, I was given my own column and by that point, having seen all these star managers come and go, you know, I had become an index fund devotee, and in column after column I banged the drum for index funds to the point where my editors were asking me, Hey, could you write about something else? 00:35:07 [Speaker Changed] No, absolutely.
But it was a tremendous experience because I had started off in bond trading, worked my way into portfoliomanagement and running the bond indexing team for a number of years, and then I got asked to take this responsibility, which was much broader. DAVIS: We definitely saw a number of clients who started embracing money markets.
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. The bonds aren’t worthless, but they’re definitely not trading at par. MIELLE: And it’s all a matter of how wide your definition of luck is. MIELLE: Huge. RITHOLTZ: Huge. MIELLE: Huge. 80 percent.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. I, I can say that definitely works, but it doesn’t work for me. So you could definitely bury that. So, so you set to retire as portfoliomanager this year, you mentioned your two successors. And the value line has all these statistical patterns. How big a position was this?
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
I was a fixed income portfoliomanager and trader, which is a ton of fun. PIMCO out on the West Coast, read the first thing I wrote in the Journal of PortfolioManagement. It definitely does. Of course, almost by definition, people want the darlings. So I think this can definitely be part of it.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. Yeah, 00:10:11 [Speaker Changed] That’ll, that’ll definitely wake, 00:10:12 [Speaker Changed] Wake you the ice you up coffee. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. So, so you’re, you’re definitely channeling a little Farrell. 01:09:14 [Speaker Changed] Oh, rich, definitely.
Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. So to me that was the definition of uncorrelated asset. So we use the MSCI benchmark definition.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
I mean, you’re talking about, I don’t, I could do the math, it’s like a 10,000% return in like three weeks. And that’s sort of the math. RITHOLTZ: Squishy? HOFFMAN: Yeah, it felt too squishy. RITHOLTZ: Really interesting. So let’s talk a little bit about Bill Ackman. He was right on the thesis.
Matt Eagan has spent his entire career in fixed income from credit analyst to portfoliomanager. Now he’s the head of the discretion team at Loomis Sales, which manages well over $335 billion in client assets. I started out math and, and physics, and in high school I was a rock star in math and physics.
00:03:42 I wouldn’t put him as a mentor because I didn’t spend that much time with him, but he definitely influenced my career in a practical way that I think has served me very well ever since then. I’d been ranked i i back in the seventies, if you can do the math. He helps portfoliomanagers make sense of the world.
So, yeah, so fantastic memory, Barry, because that has been transformational as you know, indexing tax management, direct indexing, or the ability to customize our, you know, all demands and, and it’s a tech, it’s a very tech heavy business. It is, you know, definitely diamonds in the rough that we got. Remember that.
William Priest, chairman, co-chief investment officer, and a portfoliomanager at TD Epoch, picked Meta (+66 percent), which handily beat the S&P 500, but his other four picks did not. The future is always imaginary, by definition. RELX earned 16 percent, but the other three did poorly.
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