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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfoliomanager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income asset allocation committees.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. You, you get a, a BS in Mathematics and a JD from Boston University Math and Law. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child. I didn’t get an advanced degree in math. Not the usual combination. What happened?
And my dad had always said, as many young kids get this advice, doctor, lawyer, accountant, engineer. So I took it upon myself to go off and took a course in bond math, took another course in derivatives and realized the underlying fundamental concepts were barely, I mean, it wasn’t even high school math in most cases.
That led me down that track and really well, I had a software engineering job. Let, 00:04:08 [Speaker Changed] Let’s lead up to that transition software engineer at IBM, then you get your PhD, then research at Siemens, which seems to be more of a technological position than a finance position. I really loved it.
All of their portfoliomanagers not only are substantial investors in each of their funds, but they do a disclosure year that shows each manager by name and how much money they have invested in their own fund. You, 00:18:29 [Speaker Changed] You, you mentioned ownership mentality.
I was always good at math, but I really, I just didn’t relate to things that were more esoteric bonds options. I worked in sort of a quasi portfoliomanagement role for like a single client account type business. My audio engineer is Rich Samani Atika. Val Brown is my project manager.
But yes, I was given my own column and by that point, having seen all these star managers come and go, you know, I had become an index fund devotee, and in column after column I banged the drum for index funds to the point where my editors were asking me, Hey, could you write about something else? My audio engineer is John Wasserman.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I remember telling myself, why would anyone invest in mutual funds when you can buy an ETF instead? BERRUGA: Yeah.
DAVIS: It’s a long story, but originally I went to school for engineering. Got to school, realized that I wasn’t very good at mechanical drawing, which is a big part of aerospace engineering curriculum. Atika Valbrun is my project manager. Justin Milner is my audio engineer. Paris Wald is my producer.
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. So I, as a discretionary portfoliomanager, if you hand me cash, I can look at the market and say, you know what?
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Those have compounded over the centuries and have managed to amass a huge amount of, of capital. He is portfoliomanager at Orbis Holdings.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. So, so you set to retire as portfoliomanager this year, you mentioned your two successors. And so I had to walk to the hotel and Dave Jenkins or Fidelity Analyst and now portfoliomanager had to walk home, which took a few hours. My audio engineer is Kaylee Lapper.
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. And all these formally high performers are now just so big, they’re very happy collecting the management fee and the performance fee matters less. Justin Milner is my audio engineer. Paris Wald is my producer.
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
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I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. 00:01:58 [Savita Subramanian] Well, I started out as an electrical engineering computer science major. 00:03:00 [Speaker Changed] I read a quote from you way back when you said your parents were pushing you to be either an engineer or a doctor. Is this true?
And I taught myself to program when I was 12 and all throughout late middle school and high school, I was programming games for my Game boy and developing game engines for the computer. And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. It’s just not smart on a math basis to do that.
Matt Eagan has spent his entire career in fixed income from credit analyst to portfoliomanager. Now he’s the head of the discretion team at Loomis Sales, which manages well over $335 billion in client assets. I started Northeastern as an electrical engineering. 00:01:49 [Matt Eagan] It was not.
I mean, you’re talking about, I don’t, I could do the math, it’s like a 10,000% return in like three weeks. And that’s sort of the math. My audio engineer is Sarah Livesey. Atika Valbrun is our project manager. He was right on the thesis. He found a place to express it efficiently. RITHOLTZ: Right.
Undergraduate applied mathematics, master’s degree in financial engineering, a little bit of, of teaching. So how Barry Ritholtz : Do you go from a PhD program to financial engineering masters? They ended up going back to a school in LA called Claremont, and they had a financial engineering program there. It was kidding.
You, you get your BS in engineering from University of Texas. 00:04:22 [Speaker Changed] Think of that, 00:04:23 [Speaker Changed] So engineers tend to be pragmatic problem solvers. I’d been ranked i i back in the seventies, if you can do the math. He helps portfoliomanagers make sense of the world.
Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. Sarah Livesey is my audio engineer. 00:07:26 And then I moved on to the equities team afterwards.
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