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Sherman oversees and administers DoubleLine’s investment management subcommittee; serves as lead portfoliomanager for multisector and derivative-based strategies; and is a member of the firm’s executive management and fixed-income asset allocation committees.
This article obviously favors more stocks but an interesting thing not said was at what number would it make sense to just flip from individual holdings to mutual funds and ETFs. In my opinion the diversification benefit hits diminishing returns pretty close to 40 individual holdings based on math if nothing else.
Portfoliomanagement was a lot less evidence-based than it is today. As it turns out, there are ways you can use data to your advantage, even if you’re not a math wizard. And everyone answers for, except for the person they hire, whose answer was, what number did you have in mind? What’s two plus two.
He is the Chief Investment Officer of Asset and Wealth Management at Goldman Sachs. He’s a member of the management committee. He co-chairs a number of the asset management investment committees. So we really had to work through that over a number of years. What can I say about Julian Salisbury? We love it.
Barry Ritholtz : The the funny thing is, the behavioral aspect of mutual funds seems to have been when people finally learn about a manager who’s put up great numbers, by the time it makes to make makes it to Forbes, hey, most of that run is probably over and a little mean reversion is about to kick in.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. She has run a number of firms and a number of divisions at large firms and traced a career arc that’s just very unusual compared to the typical person in finance. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child.
They are a publicly traded investment manager, stocks symbol DHIL, that have been public since day one since 2016. They do a number of things at Diamond Hill that many other investment shops don’t. So, so you’ve held analyst roles and a number of asset managers. 00:16:33 [Speaker Changed] Exactly.
She has had a number of different positions within PIM, including managing their flagship core real estate fund. Before she moved into management, she has been on all of the big lists. I was always good at math, but I really, I just didn’t relate to things that were more esoteric bonds options. And I was the worst.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I was employee number 10. RITHOLTZ: Which is really a pretty big number. BERRUGA: Yeah.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Graham Foster] : 00:02:54 That was a number, that was number theory, pure number theory. It gets further and further away the D P U go.
And it worked out and had multiple job offers coming out of school from a number of different insurance companies. I had a number of relationships that I built up and had another job lined up in New York City. DAVIS: So when we think about how those teams are evaluated, it’s a three-year number. So how did you perform?
00:03:14 [Mike Greene] So that was actually an outgrowth from my experience coming out of Wharton and you mentioned the, the, you know, the transition of people who tended to be skilled at math or physics into finance. So I, as a discretionary portfoliomanager, if you hand me cash, I can look at the market and say, you know what?
Even with 75% accuracy we only move from an investable universe where 30% of constituents outperform to now selecting the portfolio from a pool with a 56% win rate. We all know that a 55% hit rate is the top decile across the industry, and the maths above demonstrates why. This is why industry hit rates are so low.
She was a partner and a portfoliomanager at Canyon Capital, a firm that runs currently about $25 billion. RITHOLTZ: There’s safety in numbers. RITHOLTZ: The whole concept of whisper numbers, which we still use the phrase, but it doesn’t really exist anymore. The numbers are correct. MIELLE: Correct.
And I was a math nerd as a kid. And because my mother and grandmother were looking at these trying to figure out what was going on, I was curious about the sea of numbers. And 00:28:03 [Speaker Changed] That’s an amazing number. So, so you set to retire as portfoliomanager this year, you mentioned your two successors.
So, first, I found the book to be quite fascinating, very in depth and you managed to take some of the more technical arcana and make it very understandable. You began as a central bank portfoliomanager in Finland. So, that relationship actually already started when I was a portfoliomanager, right? ILMANEN: Yes.
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I was a fixed income portfoliomanager and trader, which is a ton of fun. PIMCO out on the West Coast, read the first thing I wrote in the Journal of PortfolioManagement. You can use this in a number of ways. And that’s a pretty good number. Program didn’t feel right. I then got just very lucky.
I’m kind of in intrigued by the idea of philosophy and math. So I found myself getting kind of bored with my math problem sets, and then I could shift to philosophy and then go back and forth. It’s kind of a silly number, but people are going to think you’re smart or dumb based on that number.
And I, and I really like the application of math and statistics and computer science to markets. You learn the math that can help you with, with market making operations. Honest back testing, really looking at the numbers versus exaggerating returns and, and making up the claim that something’s live when it’s not.
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Which was interesting because I actually started my career at JP Morgan Asset Management in the high yield and investment grade credit research team. And I did a lot of options math, which I thought was interesting. So during my time there, I was probably employee number four or five. So we were strategy number four at aerial.
Jeffrey Sherman : Well, what it was was, so I, as I said, with applications, there’s many applications of math, and the usually obvious one is physics. Barry Ritholtz : It seems that some people are math people and some people are not. The, the math came easier. And I really hated physics, really. It’s so true.
The economic dislocation, the health risks, just the mayhem that took place, but from the perspective of a number of corporate CEOs, Bill Ackman of Pershing Square Capital, the hedge fund that had a couple of amazing trades based on this. So, so you choose a number of specific industries or did you choose them? RITHOLTZ: Wild number.
That’s why the markets are much more of a mind game than a math game. And that’s why markets will always be exceedingly hard, even when the math seems easy or the future seems certain. As my friend Morgan Housel has explained , “Every forecast takes a number from today and multiplies it by a story about tomorrow.”
Matt Eagan has spent his entire career in fixed income from credit analyst to portfoliomanager. Now he’s the head of the discretion team at Loomis Sales, which manages well over $335 billion in client assets. I started out math and, and physics, and in high school I was a rock star in math and physics.
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