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He is the Chief Investment Officer of Asset and Wealth Management at Goldman Sachs. He’s a member of the management committee. He co-chairs a number of the asset management investment committees. So we really had to work through that over a number of years. What can I say about Julian Salisbury? We love it.
She has a really fascinating background, very eclectic, a combination of math and law. She has run a number of firms and a number of divisions at large firms and traced a career arc that’s just very unusual compared to the typical person in finance. It is something, math has always come easy to me since a child.
One, one is true and I’ve always said is that I wanted people to stop, ask if I could doing math. And no one asked me if I can do math anymore with a degree from Booth, particularly in econometrics and statistics. So people really ask you, you take French and can you do math. New York is number one. Two reasons.
So I, I did a math degree at Oxford, which is more pure math. You know, pure math can be very theoretical and detached from the real world, and it’s getting worse. Graham Foster] : 00:02:54 That was a number, that was number theory, pure number theory. It gets further and further away the D P U go.
And I did the math, and I think at that point in time, roughly speaking, assets in ETS were roughly just 10 percent, 12 percent of assets in mutual funds and I was pretty convinced that that number was to increase significantly. I was employee number 10. RITHOLTZ: Which is really a pretty big number. Why covered calls?
I wasn’t that typical person that did a number of, you know, internships during the summer, had that …. I — I loved math, but really, I was going to go down that literature route more than anything else and — and study Spanish literature. BITTERLY MICHELL: … riskmanagement. I was econ and kind of geeky.
.” It’s really helpful to have had five other meetings with people who sit at analogous funds that had losses that were just as big, and in fact, they may have contributed to those losses more and be able to tell him, first off, your fund, just by my math, has a $250 million management fee. These are big numbers.
And it worked out and had multiple job offers coming out of school from a number of different insurance companies. I had a number of relationships that I built up and had another job lined up in New York City. DAVIS: So when we think about how those teams are evaluated, it’s a three-year number. So how did you perform?
So like a component of it was like the standard derivatives math, right? And so like, you know, I got there and I learned derivatives math, right? It was derivatives math, it was like working with the traders on like riskmanagement. Like that solves like a number of issues.
Or at least the top, pick a number, 30, 40%. SEIDES: I know back then, the premier job in asset management was to run Fidelity Magellan. I don’t remember the number. ” 29, 87, 74, just pick any 50 plus percent number and certainly 2000 and ’08, ’09, a major index gets cut in half. Less, 20, 30%?
Even the guy you think of so highly, you know, after three hedge funds open and close, you got to wonder if there’s some riskmanagement issue there. RITHOLTZ: There’s safety in numbers. RITHOLTZ: The whole concept of whisper numbers, which we still use the phrase, but it doesn’t really exist anymore.
Peter Borish, founding partner number two at Tudor Investments where he worked directly with Paul Tudor Jones, most famously helping him put on a very aggressive short position heading into the ’87 crash. .” RITHOLTZ: So literally number two at the firm? ” and that’s how I started out at Tudor.
So, the Portfolio Solutions Group advises mainly institutional clients on all kinds of challenges that they have and thinking about the expected returns, portfolio construction, riskmanagement, et cetera. And when we look back to the early days of that outperformance, there were a tiny fraction of the number of funds then.
So we could construct trades that had very, very low premiums to sell this volatility to, to basically join the consumer on their side of the trade, which is in essence buying insurance on, on the bonds that were exposed to these great risk. You’re actually crunching a lot of numbers. And this is proprietary data.
It’s, it’s no different But, but inherently in futures, a whole lot more leverage, a whole lot more risk. How fundamental was that to your learning about investing, trading riskmanagement, starting with futures? You’re doing a lot of math in your head on the Fly. That’s unbelievable.
And I was kind of intrigued and so I said, can we discuss it, and he laid it out on a conference table and I said, what’s this number? And then I said, what’s this number down here, and he said, this is last year’s earnings. And that number was $160 million. So, I did the math, 20 million times a hundred.
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